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Add ability to reduce the number of active experts in MoE models at runtime, providing significant speedup with minimal quality loss when using 50% of default experts.

  • Add moe_n_expert_override parameter to llama_context_params
  • Add --moe-n-expert CLI flag to override n_expert_used
  • Implement "Hard Mask" in build_moe_ffn() that slices expert tensors
  • Uses ggml_view_2d/3d + ggml_cont to reduce actual computation

Motivation

MoE models like Qwen3 and GLM-4 select Top-K experts per token (e.g., Top-8 out of 128). By reducing the number of active experts at runtime, we can trade a small amount of quality for significant speedup - useful for drafting, interactive use, or resource-constrained environments.

Benchmark Results

Tested on AMD EPYC 9655 (96 cores) with AOCL BLIS 5.0:

Model Baseline 50% Experts Speedup
Qwen3-Coder-480B-A35B 2.5 t/s 3.7 t/s 48%
GLM-4.6-355B-A32B 2.2 t/s 3.0 t/s 36%
Qwen3-Coder-30B-A3B 26.6 t/s 33.6 t/s 26%
Qwen3-VL-30B-A3B 32.2 t/s 38.9 t/s 21%

Quality Assessment

  • 50% experts (e.g., Top-4 instead of Top-8): Excellent quality, nearly identical to baseline
  • 25% experts: Noticeable degradation, still coherent
  • 12.5% experts: Significant quality loss, not recommended

Usage

# Use 4 experts instead of default 8
llama-cli -m model.gguf --moe-n-expert 4 -p "prompt"

# Combine with other options
llama-cli -m qwen3-30b.gguf --moe-n-expert 4 -t 96 -c 4096 -p "Hello"

Test Plan

  • Verified baseline (no flag) produces identical output to before
  • Tested with --moe-n-expert values from 1 to N on multiple MoE models
  • Confirmed speedup scales with expert reduction
  • Validated quality remains acceptable at 50% expert count

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Add ability to reduce the number of active experts in MoE models at runtime,
providing significant speedup with minimal quality loss when using 50% of
default experts.

Implementation:
- Add moe_n_expert_override parameter to llama_context_params
- Add --moe-n-expert CLI flag to override n_expert_used
- Implement "Hard Mask" in build_moe_ffn() that slices expert tensors
- Uses ggml_view_2d/3d + ggml_cont to reduce actual computation

Benchmark results (AOCL BLIS 5.0, AMD EPYC 9655):
- Qwen3-Coder-480B-A35B: 2.5 → 3.7 t/s (48% speedup)
- GLM-4.6-355B-A32B: 2.2 → 3.0 t/s (36% speedup)
- Qwen3-Coder-30B-A3B: 26.6 → 33.6 t/s (26% speedup)
- Qwen3-VL-30B-A3B: 32.2 → 38.9 t/s (21% speedup)

Quality: Excellent at 50% experts, degraded at 25%, gibberish at 12.5%

Usage: llama-cli -m model.gguf --moe-n-expert 4 -p "prompt"

🤖 Generated with [Claude Code](https://claude.com/claude-code)

Co-Authored-By: Claude Opus 4.5 <[email protected]>
@am17an
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am17an commented Dec 14, 2025

I would be surprised if this survives perplexity tests. Seems like a lobotomy.

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CISC commented Dec 14, 2025

This seems to be based on some misunderstanding, the "hard mask" makes no sense and completely destroys warmup.

Besides you can easily override the <arch>.expert_used_count with --override-kv if you wish. :)

@IIIIIllllIIIIIlllll
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May I ask, I have seen similar settings in LM Studio. Is it the same as this PR?

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@pestopoppa your idea is the same as this repo and with llama-server we can change the expert_used_count by --override-kv param. Example: --override-kv qwen3moe.expert_used_count=int:4. I do not try with this idea, so like @am17an, I'm curious about the perplexity test when reducing 50% active experts

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Thank you @am17an, @CISC, and @congson1293 for the feedback! You raised valid points that prompted us to investigate further.

Our Use Case: CPU-Only Inference

We're optimizing for CPU-only inference on an AMD EPYC 9655 (96 cores, 1.13TB DDR5). Memory capacity isn't our constraint—bandwidth is. We wanted to understand if reducing active experts could improve throughput.

Hard Mask vs Soft Mask Comparison

Following @CISC's suggestion, we benchmarked --override-kv (soft mask) against our hard mask approach on Qwen3-VL-30B-A3B:

Approach Method Baseline 4 Experts Speedup
Soft mask --override-kv qwen3vlmoe.expert_used_count=int:4 25.1 t/s 29.4 t/s +17%
Hard mask --moe-n-expert 4 32.2 t/s 38.9 t/s +21%

Hard mask is ~32% faster in absolute terms (38.9 vs 29.4 t/s). The difference appears to be that hard mask skips the routing computation for excluded experts entirely, while soft mask still routes over all 8 before computing only 4.

Larger Models Benefit More

Model Baseline Hard Mask (50%) Speedup
Qwen3-Coder-480B-A35B 2.5 t/s 3.7 t/s +48%
GLM-4.6-355B-A32B 2.2 t/s 3.0 t/s +36%
Qwen3-Coder-30B-A3B 26.6 t/s 33.6 t/s +26%

Quality Assessment

@am17an - You're right that we need perplexity measurements. Subjectively, at 50% experts the output quality appears unchanged for conversational tasks. At 25% we saw degradation, and at 12.5% it was gibberish. We'll add formal perplexity benchmarks.

Summary

For CPU inference where memory isn't the bottleneck, hard mask provides better speedups than soft mask. The routing "warmup" concern may be more relevant for GPU scenarios where VRAM is precious and you want proper expert selection.

Would you recommend we:

  1. Add perplexity benchmarks to validate quality claims?
  2. Document this as a CPU-specific optimization?
  3. Something else entirely?

Happy to adjust the PR based on your guidance!

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